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They can’t let go of their pathetic drivel about the Brexit bus

Natalie Solent at Samizdata quotes from a Times review of Brexit: The Uncivil War:

Oh and putting that £350 million for the NHS claim on the side of the bus. It wasn’t true but, hey, who cares in “war”, eh?

This endless fudged crap about the Brexit bus is getting tedious. There were two main sentences on the bus. The first was “We send the EU £350 million a week”. The second was “Let’s spend it on the NHS instead”. The second sentence is a suggestion, so it can’t have a truth value (ie. it can’t be true or false because no claim is being made).

Only the first sentence can be true or false. Was it false? No, we do send the EU £350 million a week (more, in fact — at the time it turns out that at the time we were sending the EU on average £363 million a week).

Was it misleading? A bit, but not as much as the Remainers say. We get a rebate of about £96 million a week, so really we were sending £267 million a week, which was £83 mill less than the bus said, but who really thinks that that would have made any difference to the voting? Do you really think anyone would have thought, “Sending £267 million a week to the EU is fine with me, but £350 mill is just too much, I’ll have to vote Leave”? Nope.

(All these figures taken from the ONS link above.)

The other thing Remainers say is that the figure on the bus also ignores the fact that another £86 million comes back to the UK to be spent on various EU-approved projects, so the real figure is lower again: it should be £181 million a week.

But the Remainers are wrong here. The fact that the EU spends this money in the UK is irrelevant, because they don’t spend it on the NHS. Therefore that money would be available to spend on the NHS if we left, just as the bus suggested. The Leave campaign is right about this, and the Remainiacs are wrong.

Some Remainers still like to say — well, scream actually — that this ignores the fact that the money still comes back to the UK, so really, it shouldn’t be counted because it’s our money again, not the EUs. As I said above, this simply ignores the fact that the bus’s suggestion was that we could spend this money on the NHS instead, which indeed we could. And more generally, it ignores the fact that this money is spent on things that the EU deems suitable, not the British people. If I am forced to give an amount of money every week to some gangster, who gives some of it back to me but only on the condition that I give it his cronies to fund their lifestyles, you’d hardly say it was my money again.

Think of it terms of tax. I send the taxman a certain amount of money every month (well, I used to when I had a job, I don’t now I’m a novelist). The government spends that on what they want to, things which may or may not benefit me. Yet clearly it’s not a lie if I say I send a certain amount of money to the taxman every month. It’s not made a lie just because he spends it on things that may possibly  benefit me. No-one says, “Oh that’s a lie, you don’t send that much to the taxman every month because all that money is spent wisely on things that help you, so in actual fact you send no money at all to the taxman every month”. That’s obviously absurd. When we talk about sending money to the taxman we don’t talk about some mythical ‘net’ amount, we talk about the gross amount I send him.

The same applies to sending money to the EU. It’s the gross amount that we send that counts, not the net. (I’m not including the rebate money here because that money does come directly back to the government.)

In fact, this applies ten times over with the EU because while some UK government spending undoubtedly does benefit me (the NHS, and roads, for example), very little of what the EU spends its money on benefits me, nor does it benefit the average person much.

And even if it did, it doesn’t make the bus’s message a lie. The whole point of the bus’s message was that we send a lot of money to the EU (which we do), which spends it on what it deems worthy, when we could be in control of that money and spend it on what we deem worthy, such as (if we so decided) the NHS. As the last sentence of the bus said, let’s take back control.

Update: You know, there really should have been a Remain bus driving around with the message “Don’t bother voting Leave as John Bercow and Parliament won’t let it happen”.

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8 thoughts on “They can’t let go of their pathetic drivel about the Brexit bus

  1. I had heard that the £350 million figure was used deliberately in the hope that the remainers would then point out that it was really only £267 million. That way the leavers could say sarcastically ‘Only £267 million a week you say, oh well that’s alright then.’

  2. Don’t forget when the EU send money our way it it for something specific. In many cases something useless like funding speed bumps. Speed bumps we wouldn’t fund ourselves so it isn’t like them saying here is some cash back.

  3. What did Remain have that could be put on the side of a bus? “You may have to fill in a form to go to Europe in future if we leave”?

  4. The sign on the bus doesn’t suggest that the whole £350 million be spent on the NHS but, despite being told this time and time again, people see what they want to see, especially if they can moan about it.

  5. ” there really should have been a Remain bus driving around with the message “Don’t bother voting Leave as John Bercow and Parliament won’t let it happen”

    The political class think they are being Oh so clever in attempting to thwart a clear democratic vote, and they may succeed on the specific issue. However they are sowing the seeds of their own destruction if they do. Voters are not going to forget whats gone on here, and this will come back to haunt them.

    At some point there will be a choice at the ballot box – the usual status quo parties, and a completely new alternative. And the great and the good will say ‘You can’t vote for X they’ll destroy everything!’ and the voters will say ‘Good! Where’s my ballot paper?’

    They are creating a vast swathe of the electorate who will countenance voting for anyone, regardless of how nasty they appear (or actually are), as long as they offer the opportunity to throw out the current political classes.

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