8 thoughts on “Deaths with Covid-19 by absence or presence of a pre-existing condition”

  1. I wonder if the deaths of apparently unimpaired young people are largely a matter of undiscovered “underlying conditions”? Is anyone doing post mortems to find out? (Indeed, would they be worthwhile?)

  2. My understanding is that post mortems have been banned. Supposedly on health reasons, but in keeping with the changes in death certification probably more likely to stop any form of audit trail being used retrospectively to question decisions taken during the ‘epidemic’.
    We will never know if the vast majority of deaths ‘with cv-19 were really due to the underlying illness, although the almost exact age profile of deaths with cv-19 and overall deaths suggest strongly that they are.

  3. Its becoming increasingly apparent (to me at least) that one of the things this crisis is highlighting is the fact that while life expectancy in the UK is rising, or has risen significantly over the last few decades, it has not resulted in loads of healthy 60, 70 and 80 year olds, its actually a lot of people who are kept alive by medical means but whose overall health is not good. The skill of the medical profession in keeping people out of the graveyard has also had a perverse incentive effect on the younger age ranges – why worry about being over weight and unfit in your 40s and 50s, and risking an early heart attack when everyone knows the docs will patch you up with a stent, or a bypass, and shed loads of pills? This results in people ignoring their own health, and letting socialised medicine take the responsibility instead. All of which underlying lack of health resilience is now being exposed brutally by CV-19.

  4. Probably. Like the Premier league footballer who dropped dead on pitch mid-game a year or so ago

    Or the youths dying from Kawasaki disease, not Wuhan virus that MSM cite as CV-19 deaths

  5. its actually a lot of people who are kept alive by medical means but whose overall health is not good

    +100

    …and No quality of life

    My mother is still active and OK at 80, but she’s signed a DNR as does not want to be a vegetable in a wheelchair

  6. It is now about 50 years since governments and other authorities started pushing their radically new (and utterly wrong) diet recommendations.

    They told us to avoid red meat, eggs, dairy and all animal fats; and instead to load up on “healthy whole grains” and vegetable oils. That single sentence encapsulates the ill-health, obesity and premature death of several generations.

    As the human body requires a large number of nutrients to be healthy, people can eat very large amounts of the foods government recommends – and still find they feel hungry. So they go on eating, but all in vain if what their bodies crave are the fat-soluble nutrients only obtainable from meat, eggs and dairy. Add a large pinch of agricultural, industrial and other pollution in the air, water, food, etc.; high levels of stress; inadequate sleep; tobacco and other drugs; and a chronic lack of exposure to the countryside and fresh air; and you have a recipe for ill health.

    That ill health, of course, is the basis for the immense profits of the pharamaceutical and medical industries.

  7. “its actually a lot of people who are kept alive by medical means but whose overall health is not good”

    And this is the part of the population which comprises a large part of the “base load” for the NHS. One of the side effects of the spike in deaths of older people will be that this load will be reduced in the second half of this year, freeing up capacity in the NHS – which will presumably be identified by hospital administrators, who will reduce the capacity to meet the lower demand, until suddenly the figures start to go up again and we have a new NHS crisis…

  8. Suppose a patient comes to hospital with cough and fever. They have comorbidity.
    They die.
    They were tested for COVID-19 and results were +ve
    Would they also have been tested for Influenza ?

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